Grateful Dead Live at Olympic Center on 1983-10-17
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FOB (12th Row) > Sennheiser 421s > WM-D5 (Cassette master) > DAT > CD; 4/17/84 filler; stemming from Skankweed's post to abgd; etreed by Evan Levy 2/00 after reextraction/SHN (md5s here are for etree copy)
- 2004-06-20 16:45:20
- Lake Placid, NY
- Olympic Center
Subject: Best Sugaree?
It's has a few moments of reckless chaos but best cumon'. 1977 has some killer ones and 9/25/76 is divine.
Subject: wish you could've been there
the circus didn't have too many drunk monkeys yet - as in post TOG. It's 2 bad everyone didn't get a chance to get on the bus when it was such a fine ride. Nothing against those who didn't get that chance - it just got to be a drag having folks who really just wanted to have a fine old time mess it up for all involved.
It was long into a year of lots of shows and Lake Placid is so far in the country that it seemed only people who REALLY loved the music even more than the circus (yes the circus was wonderful too) went through the effort to get there.
Adirondack Mountains in Fall. WOW
Beautiful little village.
Freindly locals who were genuinely welcoming of us to their beautiful little village. Nice.
I think everyone who wanted to got into the show.
I got a ticket in the lot.
ended up 11th row center
all of us dancing ON the seats
AND WHAT A SHOW!
give a listen
It's the next best thIng to being there
5 stars even if JUST for the show
Subject: Silhouetted Dancers Inspire 16 Minute Sugaree
Subject: head backwards from here even slightly
6/18 and 6/20 were good.
Subject: The Wheel Went 'Round!
The Wheel though...! The Olympic Arena has a promenade between the lower and upper sections that is a continuous and unbroken circle. All the heads linked arms, one circle going one way, the other going the other. It was unreal, surreal and just plain awesome fun!
Subject: Burning Down The House!
I've got to take a minute here to address the more negative reviews here. Without fail, when you find a smoking show like this one with folks raving about one tune or another, there always has to be at least one to come out with pithy remarks like; "Jerry is all over the place and is trying so hard to find his notes".............gimmie a freaking break! 1) The band has Just started playing 2) At 41 let's see how well you can rip out notes like he does and 3) It's Called Jamming. Not everything works Exactly like it could All the time. If you want perfection All the time, maybe you should listen to bands that play the same songs, the same way, Every Freaking Night of a tour. I'm sorry but Heads like that just piss me off. End of Rant.
Now quit reading and download this gem of a show before it becomes another one of Dick's Picks and ya gotta buy the damn thing.
Subject: Judged on It's Own Merits
Those who recommend endless listening to '73 or '77, what can I say? I love that stuff too, but often find some of this ragged glory from the early to mid 80s way more inventive and exciting.
Subject: This was a fun show to attend
This show was a dream and it still feels like a dream to heard this soundboard.
I believe it to be the only "Lay Me Down of 1983
yum yum this show is better then food
Subject: Lake plACID, unforgettable Terrapin Station
At about 4 minutes and 20 seconds into the song, Jerry's lead takes a different turn and has a most haunting yet beautiful quality to it. I had never heard Jerry play Terrapin quite like that.
Bill and Mickey on the drums added an esoteric, light, flowng touch behind Jerry during this time.
I consider this one of the greatest 30 seconds of the band playing together. Definitely worth the download.
Subject: great overall show..
jamall is right on about the rooster...not a favorite of mine, but bob sends this one skyward.
despite the naysayer...birdsong soars too.
the first set is a must have for any dead lover...crackling with energy.
Subject: There's cheese and then there's velveeta
I checked it out. This is an okay audience tape but the Sugaree blows. Jerry is all over the place and is trying so hard to find his notes he reminds me of George Bush at his last press conference. Sad.
Go listen to the Sugaree at the 5-28-77 Hartford show to hear the song done right. I'm not sure it's even been done better than that. There's a version at the Greek from '82 that is probably the best in the Brent era. It sure the hell isn't this refried cheeseball here.
The best taste of the quality of the recording may be the To Lay Me Down in the 2nd set. It's a nice latter-era version of the tune but the second half of the solo is muffed (not sure who to blame for that).
I'm not aware of a single Bird Song post-73 that matters for a hill of beans. This one is mundane.
The Deal is nice but, like the Sugaree, is an exercise in excess that gets fairly tedious. Is this another case of East Coast fanboys jacking up the quality of a performance that one really needed to attend in order to enjoy?
Subject: last 5 tracks
Reading the .txt file yields this info:
Filler: 4/17/84 Convention Center, Niagra Falls NY
05 Space >
06 Black Peter >
07 Throwing Stones >
08 Not Fade Away
09 E: Touch Of Grey
I've had this show for a few years and it's a keeper. Just another in the list of fine Fall '83 shows.
Subject: where are the last 5 tracks from?
The space>bp. etc.....???? thanx
Subject: love it !!!
Subject: MARASCHINO JERRY!!!!!!!!!!
Jer is as good as he gets...the Tiger shines with tones of silver and gold and then some...and Bob is playing some of his most supportive rhythm ever. The whole band clearly knows this is historic, and joins in laying down what could be the definitive
Sugaree. Still a treat to hear, year in and year out.
How do you follow that?
Great first set, second not bad.
I can't even imagine being there and seeing that opener. Must have melted a lot of minds.
I don't give many 5 star ratings, so that they mean something when I do. This one is for the Sugaree.
Who else could ever play it like this?
We miss you, bro.
Thanks for leaving such a fine trail behind you...
Subject: Jerry's "White Album" -- with no "Loser!" -
The sound is crisp-Touch of Grey-is an example of that.
Subject: One of the Best....
Anywho....well worth the download, and yes, I'll agree...this IS THE BEST sugaree out there! :)
Subject: Just One Thing I Ask of You ...My Darling Sugaree.
------>Oh ..My ..GOD !
(could describe it in one word too --->>SwEET !)
Lightening riffs proves there is a god , and thunderous booms out his commands on a Brother Essau that just rocks~well~in~the groove! A Jammin' Woman Smarter , a great AUD with clarity of vocals, all the bass you'll ever need , and drums that will pound on your heart....and the right mix/compliment of of some very happy campers swinging from the chandeliers there that night . Just a jamming show , an very nice close encounter of the "third eye kind" ;) ...this '83 period show will put a smile on your face .
What a great audience too ...band & audience locked completely and over~competently ---> in the groove . How sweet life can be ...and my favorite space & drums to !
Subject: This is a pivotal show for me - a life changer ...
I guess it begins with not knowing the dead ... at the time ... and ends with being pressed against the front row stage security pit rail ... right in front of Jerry. I actually am one that did not jive too well with set #1. I got excited but was less 'connected' ... but when i met a college buddy, and he sneaked me to the floor for the second set, and we weasled to the front row ... magic happened for me. A pivotal moment in time when I transcended to a new appreciation of jam rock - it was a moment of complete glee and transformation.
I loved terrapin and good lovin in particular. Terrapin spoke to me ... and I can still see the rosey images of Jerry and Bobby singing the epic 'story like' lyrics, as if dripping and echoing in that olympic playground of ice, the visuals and context is mind shattering for me.
I have listened to this - my first show - many a time, on scratchy old tapes, and i still love hearing again today, at 40yrs old, 3 kids, wife, etc ... thinking back to how this event changed me forever, how the my apreciation of the rhythm, timber and feel of bird song, deal, esau, terrapin, good lovin, and all the others ... started in Lake Placid, in the northern reaches of NY, the ADKs, it has helped define who i am and how i perceive life and music.
So to all 'invovled' in the details of set #1 ... sugaree etc, good for you all, but i return occasionaly to place of memory that is in set #2, where life changed for me in that hour ... that slice of time ... that immense impact ... that moment when i first connected with the boys ... there are only a few times in life like that.
god bless, and keep jamming and searching for that sweet note ... that serenity riff, it is out there if you really look for it ... in life and music.
Subject: space > ...touch of grey
Subject: acid at placid
Subject: first set's a scorcher
Subject: Black Peter...
doses..doses..ahh I could just picture the circus now. Its like instant fun, arrive with friends mix all ingredients and wala.
Subject: ultra-cool show
10/17/83 The Dead completely took over the town!
My first Grateful Dead show,also happened to be my
first acid trip.
A fabulous evening.
I remember the ring of dancing freaks around the
entire balcony level of the venue...very cool...
I've never been to another show that was anywhere near that vibe.
Subject: Worthy of note
Subject: first set is worth DL
[what's with the weird bonus space>black peter etc... at the end? gotta be from another night or something, yes?]
anyway, this show is eclipsed by hartford 10.15, as mentioned below, and the second set just doesn't rate 5 stars.
despite an interesting opening of touch/samson/to lay me down, all of which are good, (esp samson) the women R is flat, terrapin is a little confused...
the space wheel is pretty, and the miracle is above average, but on the whole, this show just doesn't measure up to the standards of this fall run, IMHO. not as tight and energetic as many others...
btw, the bonus space>peter is really hot. anyone know where it's from?
Subject: Help St.Stephen
Wheel>Miracle>GDTRFB>Good Lovin'. E: Revolution.
This show had the unfortunate honor of being on the heels of the first two "St.Stephen" shows from MSG and Hartford. Also, it came the year the band revived Help>Slipknot! It's a shame that this one gets overlooked. Certainly the first set is a must have for some stellar versions AND the "audience factor".
(For another awesome audience/energy show from '83, check out the "mud slide" show from Merriweather 6/20/83.)
The 2nd set is average. But if you're like me and can feel the energy of a 1st set, download it.
I know the purpose of the reviews is to comment on the show only, but I was stunned to read a derogatory comment (in general) on Sugaree and Row James. I'll leave it at that.
The Rooster IS a cooker...picks up where Sugaree left off.
But if Birdsong could have been placed in the Second set...it should have been this night.
Long intro...possibly Jerry toying with the E-chord waiting for Bobby? No matter.
This is a definitive Birdsong. Are there better, sure. But you have to put this one in a top 5 category. Very spacey and exploratory.
Bucket is so much different than the versions that were played when the Dead went "Top 40" in '87. Very energetic and "raw".
Deal,as someone already noted, smoked. It is Jerry bursting with energy that is so positive, that I, too, wondered why the second set was lacking, in a relative way.
Who knows. Get the first set...feel the energy of the audience. Enjoy.
I give the first set 5 stars.
Subject: Why don't you have this one?
Brother Esau is a nice version of this song, and Bird Song is pretty standard but with some fine playing. Followed by an unusual Hell in a Bucket, somewhat stripped and raw. Deal closes the set very strong and powerful with extended jam.
With such an awesome, energetic first set, I was very dissapointed in the second. What did they do during the intermission, 'cause there is no energy left. I labored through the entire set, draining all of the joy from the first. Only during Good Lovin does any energy come through at all. Don't get me wrong, much of the playing is alright, but almost feels like the show was recorded from two different nights, there is no consistency at all.
Revolution encore standard, but answer me this: Dear Prudence one of the all time great great great covers, why can't Jerry seem to nail any other Beatles tune?
Download the first set and get in Bronzed for eternity's sake, and listen to it everyday. Forget the second set and take a walk instead.
Subject: And I was there...
Subject: whoa dudes............
Subject: Push back, push back, push back the night.
STOP! Don't let those first 3 dogs scare you. This show IS worth it. Don't be swayed by previous reviews that claim the best songs of the night were the two mellowest songs. There's way more to this show and I'm here to rattle the consensus. Touch of Gray is a bummer to get as a 2nd set opener, but this one is great because it shows a song in transition both vocally and musically. The Samson totally rocks. To Lay Me Down is mellow but at least it's not uber-repetetive like Sugaree. It's selling point is it's rarity but there is some nice guitar work on it that can't be denied. Women Are Smarter rocks as usual, and the Terrapin is really strong, probably the highlight of the show up to this point.
This is one of my favorite post-Space song lineups. Although Wheel, Miracle, GDTRFB, and Good Lovin are all "post drums" songs, rarely were all 4 played in the same set. All 4 of these versions rock, but particularly strong is the Good Lovin. If you like the "push back the night" rap Bobby was doing in 83, then you'll LOVE this version of GL. I believe it to be the best "push back the night" Good Lovin I've ever heard.
I'd give this show 5 stars, but the 1st set setlist killed it for me (regardless of how well it was played). For those like me who never really got into the mellow songs.... the best two songs of the night were Terrapin and Good Lovin.
My vote also goes to this Sugaree as best ever. But don't just download that, get the whole thing.
Subject: Lake Acid
Subject: No Question
Subject: Gem in a Field of Gems
Subject: Long time fav
Subject: another gem from Oct. '83
possibly the BEST Sugaree ever, with some truly magnificent jamming from Jerry throughout...equally as awesome is Bird Song, another personal favorite version of mine...
the second set is as good as it looks, with highlights like To Lay Me Down>Women are Smarter, Terrapin, and the GDTRFB>Good Lovin' combo is totally smoking!!!!
sick, sick show
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